Okay, so this is going to be a very big deal this election in the U.S. so I thought I'd start a thread about it. What do you think of gay marriage? For? Against? Unsure? Explain. And please keep it nice. I respect your opinions though I may not agree, please do the same.

I'm for gay marriage cos (A) I'm gay (lol) and (B) I believe in equality. I believe that if someone loves each other the government shouldn't (and doesn't) have the right to say which love is better or worse.

I totaly support gay marriages! I can't understand how anyone can't support.Everyone should have the right to choose how they're going to live. If 2 people love each other, (female-male, female-female, male-male),  they should get married if they want to. They will not harm anyone with their marrige and their love.

Are you really gay? 

First off: I totally agree with everything you wrote. What can gays do to hurt others by loving people of the same-sex? And I'm glad to see you're so open-minded!

And lol, yes I am. I'm perhaps too lesbian sometimes. :)

When somebody says that she or he is gay, to me that is cool, because in my town and country there are still people that aren't open-minded. It is rare that people say that they are gay. What is the situation in your place?

What is your most beautiful famous female? 

I have lived all over the place so it's hard to say from one to the other. However, most people I have encountered really don't accept it at all. I haven't even come out to my family yet cos I know how they'll react. People are still very close-minded about it. Part of the reason why I'm moving to Toronto is cos they are so much more open to "new" ideas like that.

Oh, that's hard cos there are so many beautiful women out there. Melissa Etheridge's wife Tammy Michaels Etheridge is really beautiful, Dolores is obviously beautiful, Sinead O'Connor is gorgeous, as is Gillian Anderson who played on the TV series the X-Files... there are more but they're my favorites. And you?
 

Nicole Kidman, Michelle Pfeiffer, Sharleen Spiteri.

I hope it will be easier for you in Toronto.

And do your friends now? What do they think?

Michelle Pheiffer! Oh, I totally get that. She's gorgeous! :)

Lol, so do I...

Um, well... I've definitely lost friends over it. Some of my other friends have a "don't ask, don't tell policy..."  Basically, lets not talk about it. It's taken me awhile but I've learned that it's better to just hang out with gays, which is sometimes kind of sad. And even though I'm very proud of my lesbianism... sometimes I wish I was like everyone else. It would solve a lot I suppose. lol.

Lucija:

Now tell me, are you really 16 years old?

Lucija, that's exactly the same question I asked Meg when I first met her here and read her first posts!  Actually, not exactly the same question, because, if I'm not wrong, I think she was still 15 when we first (virtually) met.

Anyway, nice to see you're back here, Meg.  This forum's been missing your non-trivial contributions. 

Oh, I was forgetting to ask your question, Meg!

Of course I agree with you, Meg and Lucija, and I can't see why a government should decide what kind of marriage is good or bad.  So, I support gay marriages, but with one limitation: I think a legal marriage shouldn't give gay couples the right to adopt children.  In my opinion, adoption should be as close as possible to natural parenthood, and natural parenthood is made by a father and a mother.  A different kind of parenthood is likely to cause some discomforts in the adopted child and should therefore be avoided.

I have to *strongly* disagree with you there, Luca. I want children one day. I love them and I get along better with them than most people. There is no such thing as a "normal" childhood. There will always be good and bad in parents. I mean, if a parent loves their child and wants the best for them, what more could a child ask for? Kids have gotten teased from the beginning of time, it will always be that way, but if they know that their parents care about them that should be all they need. Parents will always have faults, love is hardly one of them.

How do you feel about one of the mothers getting pregnant by other means?

Back to our friendly disagreements, no?

And I haven't been here in so long cos I've moved three times to three different states since July, and its been hectic. Nice to be back though! :) 

Meg:

I want children one day.

Did I say you don't have to have children?  I didn't!

I said I believe legally married couples shouldn't be entitled to adopt children as a couple, because adoption should be as close as possible to natural parenthood.  I believe legal adoption must not give a child two mothers or two fathers.  If a government allows a single parent to adopt children, then that single parent should be allowed to adopt a child even though he/she is involved in a homosexual relationship.  Single mothers have children every day around the world, so I wouldn't find it wrong if single parents were entitled to adopt a child.  But I would consider it a forcing if a government gave a child two mothers or two fathers.

So, if you ever want to become a mother, either in a natural way or through some medical technique or through an adoption, I wish you will!  Your child would be one of the many millions of children who happily live with their mother and without their father.  But I believe that child of yours shouldn't call both you and your partner "mother".  That's all I meant, but of course I don't want you to necessarily agree with me.

Meg:

I love them and I get along better with them than most people.

Being a parent is not about loving children in general.  It's about taking some responsibilities towards your own children.  I'm sure you'd be an excellent mother, but not simply because you love children.

Meg:

There is no such thing as a "normal" childhood.

I didn't mention any "normal" childhood, Meg.  I used the expression "natural parenthood" as opposed to adoption, and you can't deny that they're two well definable things.

Meg:

There will always be good and bad in parents. I mean, if a parent loves their child and wants the best for them, what more could a child ask for? Kids have gotten teased from the beginning of time, it will always be that way, but if they know that their parents care about them that should be all they need. Parents will always have faults, love is hardly one of them.

We're not talking about good and bad parents, Meg!  Of course some natural parents are hideous and can only harm their children, but what could we do, then?  Should we abolish natural parenthood for that and let the government choose the best potential parents for the newborn babies?

Meg:

How do you feel about one of the mothers getting pregnant by other means?

One of my previous sentences answered this question.  A woman must be free to have children either by natural, artificial or legal (i.e., adoption) means.  But it's always one woman who becomes a mother, not two.

Meg:

Back to our friendly disagreements, no?

I love them and I've been missing them!  

Meg:

And I haven't been here in so long cos I've moved three times to three different states since July, and its been hectic. Nice to be back though! :)

So where are you living now? 

Well I meant with a future partner of course.

Yes but I have to disagree with that as well. :) I mean, isn't it more unnatural to have a mother and her girlfriend around or a father and his boyfriend around, than two mothers or two fathers? That also makes growing up uncomfortable for the child, feeling almost like the other woman or man doesn't want them. And it makes it easier to parent as there is one that takes on a "bad cop" or "tough" parent role (often, but not always, the father) and the other taking on a "good cop" or "easy-going" parent role (often, but not always, the mother). And really, what is more unnatural than being raised in an orphanage? Wouldn't it be better for the child to have two mothers or two fathers who love and look out for them, than spending their lives with no one?

Oi! I shudder at the thought of the natural way! Lol. And actually if I were to have a long-term relationship and my partner and I chose to have children via pregnancy, it'd be very unlikely that I'd have the babies myself. I'd leave that up to my partner, at least the first time around. Labor scares the hell out of me. So you can understand why I defend the two mother role so much.

I disagree again. Being a parent is all about loving your children. In order to take on the responsibilities of being a parent, you have to love them.

I knew you were going to say that! Sorry, I'll rephrase to natural and unnatural.

No and that's not what I'm saying. But it should, to some degree, be about a mother or father's capability to raise their child, shouldn't it?

I don't agree with that. Because that's like saying that if heterosexual parents decide to adopt a child then it's not really their's because they didn't have it via natural means.

One last thing; If we say that two women or two men can't adopt children and become parents, isn't that indeed saying that they are different than other people around them? Feel free to disagree (cos I know you will! ) but I'm just saying ...

I have also. I need to keep my redneck political views sharp! :)

Back in the Pittsburgh, PA area. Nice to be home.