The Cranberries were concidered as Dolores O'Riordan being a singer. Now Dolores O'Riordan is concidered as being a group and still part of The Cranberries...

They must be mistaken and they are still wrong all along !!!  

You pretend to be a fan of [...?...] without to have any idee of the one you seem to love...
 

Tu as absolument raison, Droless, mais, s'il te plaît, est-ce que tu peux nous dire à qui tu étais en train de t'adresser avec ce message ?

You're absolutely right, Droless, but can you please tell us whom you were addressing with your message?

Personne en particulier et tout le monde en général !!!

Noone in particular and everyone in general !!!

 

I think someone here had always loved Dolores instead of loving The Cranberries as she was part of the band. I'm not gonna give you its name. And don't even try to ask me cause you'll get no answer !!! All I can is that she was waiting with me to see her Live at the Bataclan.

But infact, if I told you that, it was for the following reason. As I was in her show in Paris, most of all the fans waiting and "standing in line to see the show tonight",  where there because they were Cranfans and not realy fans of Dolo solo.
If someone discovered Dolores as a singer, without to know she was part of a band, he could not even have gone to the concert since it was sould out in about one month or something !!! they all wanted to see Dolores because she belonged to their favorite band. For the moment I think there is no real fan of Dolores.

Hi Droless,

Nice to meet you.

I don't agree with you, saying that there is no real fan of Dolores. Because, you bet, I am and I know a lot of people who are to. But I think I understand what you are trying to say. And I think you mean those people, who once heard about The Cranberries and Zombie and so on. If you ask them: do you know Dolores O'Riordan?, they wil say: No!   But if you explain that she was the former singer of the Cranberries, they know who you mean. And realy do you think the Cranberries became what they are whithout Dolores O 'Riordan???? Most of the Cranberries songs are written by herself. And back in '94 I felt in love with a special voice without knowing to who it belong.                                                           doop doo doop doo, doop doo doop doo,.......... That's my first Cranberries song. By the way, this is fun, because who can tell me wich song I mean?    Anyway, I was searching for music programs and listening the radio then, till I found out the name of the band playing: the Cranberries. And the name of the song ( No, I wouldn't tell yet). And as a real cranfan, I discovered a lot of things, like where they are from, there names and so on. So from the beginning I know who is Dolores O 'Riordan. But I agree, if she was going on tour as The Cranberries, all of her concerts would be sold out very long before the tour dates. And what do you think about them, who did see her solo concerts (some have seen 4 shows) Most of them are Dolores Fans in their heart, believe me. What about you, Droless?. Are you........I know you are for sure.

grtz from Hans

 

 

 

 

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I'm free to decide!

I have always been a fan of The Cranberries. Whom I discover with the song Zombie (what an original thing !!!). At firts when I heard about Dolores'  solo projects I was a bit afraid because all I wanted back was the spirit of The Cranbrries. Whatever she intended to do. But if she was going solo, I understood later she had to go her own way !!!
As her first album was brought out, I bought it, listen to it several times and simply fell in love with something new. HER !!! I hope she'll have as much succes as with The Cranberries !!! She really deserves it !!!

Something strange: she still sings songs from The Cranberries' discogrpahy !!! For someone who would like not be treated as only THE singer of The Cranberries, it is not really the best way !!! Anyway, I am lucky because she still sings Pretty. And if you watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-0hc154mLQ you'll see her readding something and talking to someone. It was me telling her it was my favorite song !!!

Droless:

I think someone here had always loved Dolores instead of loving The Cranberries as she was part of the band. I'm not gonna give you its name. And don't even try to ask me cause you'll get no answer !!! All I can is that she was waiting with me to see her Live at the Bataclan.

But infact, if I told you that, it was for the following reason. As I was in her show in Paris, most of all the fans waiting and "standing in line to see the show tonight",  where there because they were Cranfans and not realy fans of Dolo solo.
If someone discovered Dolores as a singer, without to know she was part of a band, he could not even have gone to the concert since it was sould out in about one month or something !!! they all wanted to see Dolores because she belonged to their favorite band. For the moment I think there is no real fan of Dolores.

Until now, being a fan of the Cranberries and being a fan of Dolores meant the same thing, as you can't deny that Dolores was the one who made the Cranberries so peculiar.  Without Dolores, the Cranberries simply wouldn't have existed.  If you read the posts in this forum, the fans of the first days, the ones who came to know the band around 1994, like me, have more or less the same story to tell, no matter which song they heard first: we all heard an extraterrestrial voice and we all were stroke like St. Paul on the road to Damascus.  On the other hand, we can't say that the Cranberries were only Dolores O'Riordan.  They were a band, with a distinctive sound, especially in their first two albums, and no one can tell what Dolores alone would have produced had she been a solo artist from the beginning.  In my personal opinion, we wouldn't have had all those songs we adore, without the other 3 Cranberries around Dolores.

Nowadays, it's inevitable that people love Dolores because of what she did with the band.  There's nothing wrong about it, Droless.  We still can't love Dolores for what she has done as a solo artist, simply because her solo career is still too young.  Her solo career is still so tied to the Cranberries, that the usual setlist of her shows is almost equally divided between songs by the Cranberries and songs from Are You Listening?.  But of course we have loved so much what she did with the band, that we can't help standing by her side.

That said, Droless, like you I'm quite annoyed by those who mistake Dolores for the Cranberries and vice versa.  I can't bear those who still talk of "Cranberries' concert" instead of "Dolores O'Riordan's concert", and so on.  I can't understand how they can consider themselves fans, if they don't even seem to know that the band broke up quite a long time ago.

I second that Dolores' solo life is way too early to tell. We have to wait until a second or third album to tell how long she can stand on her own two feet releasing good albums. However I don't think that the Cranberries sound was really all that distinct or whatever. In my opinion if it wasn't for her voice they'd have fit into a huge category. It's not as if you can hear the guitars and say, "Oh that's the Cranberries" like you would Metallica or U2. It's not like you'd hear the music and say "Oh, a new Cranberries song" like you would Nirvana (way back when) or Eurythmics (way, way back when). Don't get me wrong I *do* love them, that'd be why I'm here, and I *do* love their songs, I just don't think that musically they ever really were that unique. I love their songs, obviously, but to the naked eye (or ear I suppose) without Dolores they're just another dream popper. Yes, I make up my own genres. : )

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Droless:

Something strange: she still sings songs from The Cranberries' discogrpahy !!! For someone who would like not be treated as only THE singer of The Cranberries, it is not really the best way !!!

I don't think it's strange, Droless, not at all!  Of course Dolores won't like to be treated as ONLY the singer of the Cranberries, but I'm pretty sure she'll never disown her story with the band.  She's way too intelligent to repudiate her past, and she perfectly knows that many Cranberries' songs still have a considerable relative weight in her career.  I believe she too loves those songs, so why shouldn't she sing them in her shows?

If in the future she's as successfull as we all wish her, that relative weight will tend to decrease in time.  But we'll always be happy to hear her sing Dreams, and I hope she'll always be happy to keep singing it.

Anyway, merci beaucoup for the interesting discussion, Droless.

Meg:

I second that Dolores' solo life is way too early to tell. We have to wait until a second or third album to tell how long she can stand on her own two feet releasing good albums. However I don't think that the Cranberries sound was really all that distinct or whatever. In my opinion if it wasn't for her voice they'd have fit into a huge category. It's not as if you can hear the guitars and say, "Oh that's the Cranberries" like you would Metallica or U2. It's not like you'd hear the music and say "Oh, a new Cranberries song" like you would Nirvana (way back when) or Eurythmics (way, way back when). Don't get me wrong I *do* love them, that'd be why I'm here, and I *do* love their songs, I just don't think that musically they ever really were that unique. I love their songs, obviously, but to the naked eye (or ear I suppose) without Dolores they're just another dream popper. Yes, I make up my own genres. : )

I think we both were expressing more or less the same opinion with different words, dear Meg.  In fact, I wrote that "Dolores was the one who made the Cranberries so peculiar.  Without Dolores, the Cranberries simply wouldn't have existed."  Then I wrote that, nevertheless, the Cranberries "were a band, with a distinctive sound, especially in their first two albums, and no one can tell what Dolores alone would have produced had she been a solo artist from the beginning."  OK, not that distinct as to make them immediately recognizable without Dolores' voice, but I believe they had their own sound, however.  What I meant is that the Cranberries surely wouldn't have broken through without Dolores, but we can't guess if Dolores would have been so successful without the Cranberries.  And by the way, does it really matter?

Meg:

It's not like you'd hear the music and say "Oh, a new Cranberries song" like you would Nirvana (way back when) or Eurythmics (way, way back when).

Eurythmics!?  Hey, you still had to be born when people used to say "Oh, a new Eurythmics song!"

Miracle of Love, Sweet Dreams, When Tomorrow Comes, and many more...  Those were glory days!

Dear me, I need to start reading better. I understand what you're saying now. And I suppose that's exactly what I was saying too, just not as well put. And you're right, it really doesn't matter, we'll never know what have happened to Dolores or the boys cos they did work together. Though to be honest I was always slightly curious to know as to whether or not she could have made it without them... just that side of me that wondered. And I suppose they do have their own sound, everyone does to some point or another. And certainly they didn't sound as mainstream and overdone as say, Simple Plan or Fall Out Boy. I swear I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference between the two, my ears would just hurt that's all.

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Btw I think Eurythmics broke up either the year I was born or the year before. Their 'new' album Peace came out in '99 but by then Americans (figures) had forgotten all about them. Their first huge hit came out seven years before I was born. Yeah, I came to the conclusion that all the best things that ever happened to me happened before I was born. Lol. And I looked it up, Annie Lennox (awesome lady) went solo in 1991, the year I was born, just like I thought.

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Meg:

I came to the conclusion that all the best things that ever happened to me happened before I was born.

That's a great aphorism, Meg!  Worthy of Oscar Wilde or Woody Allen.

I'll surely borrow it, one day or another: I hope you won't charge me for the copyright!

 

Luca:

Droless:

Something strange: she still sings songs from The Cranberries' discogrpahy !!! For someone who would like not be treated as only THE singer of The Cranberries, it is not really the best way !!!

I don't think it's strange, Droless, not at all!  Of course Dolores won't like to be treated as ONLY the singer of the Cranberries, but I'm pretty sure she'll never disown her story with the band.  She's way too intelligent to repudiate her past, and she perfectly knows that many Cranberries' songs still have a considerable relative weight in her career.  I believe she too loves those songs, so why shouldn't she sing them in her shows?

If in the future she's as successfull as we all wish her, that relative weight will tend to decrease in time.  But we'll always be happy to hear her sing Dreams, and I hope she'll always be happy to keep singing it.

Anyway, merci beaucoup for the interesting discussion, Droless.

 

You're welcome !!! 

Luca: Oscar Wilde? Why thank you very much, I'll take that as a huge compliment. But I suppose since you're a really nice guy with a great sense of humor I won't charge you. Not this time at least. : )

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